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Killing Zoe (1994)
IMDB rating: 6.20
Plot: Zed has only just arrived in the beautiful Paris and already he’s up to no good. Having just slept with a call girl, he spends a night on the town with his dangerous friends. They all decide to rob a bank the following day. There’s only one problem: Zed’s call-girl, Zoe, just happens to work at the bank which is to be robbed!
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Directors: Avary Roger
Actors: Stoltz Eric,Anglade Jean-Hugues,Thai Tai,Ramsay Bruce,Salem Kario,Xuereb Salvator,Kemp Gary,Raymond Martin,Chaltiel Eric Pascal,Scandiuzzi Gian-Carlo,Bonn Gerard,Baski Bernard,Crime,Thriller,
Why is my younger puggle severely beating the older one, and how can it be stopped?
We have 2 puggles: the oldest is very pug like (Zoe), the other is younger and looks and acts like a beagle (Jill)… Both dogs sleep in my parents bed at night, and lay on the couch, which I hear is bad but I’m not able to stop what my parents let the dogs do… Jill is now a yr old, and if she is picked up too fast herself, or Zoe is paid attention to, Jill will walk over, growl at Zoe, and once both their fir is standing up, they stand up themselves and savagely beat eachother up, it looks like boxing… During this, they are more of a growl like kids screaming back and forth, and they literally bite eachother bodies apart for 30 sec to a min… Jill will always win, and as claiming her prize, she stands on top of zoe, digging her front paws into her back, and walks her paws up and down Zoes back for a few min, and her fur is up, and she digs into her deep!! If Jill is pulled off Zoe during this phase, the savage fight takes place all over again… Results to their bodies are one of the dogs limping for a day or so, teeth through an ear leaving a bloody hole, saliva on their necks and backs, etc. It has gotten to the point where Zoe is unable to sleep with my parents in bed, only Jill allows herself, and random attacks during the day over rawhides and little attention to either dog makes Jill attack Zoe. Zoe never instigates, but she defends herself in the fights. We have used dog sprays, like bitter apple and water, and it does not stop Jill during or even to stop a fight from occuring. Even though they are only puggles, friends and family jump when these fights occur, it’s like they are literally trying to kill eachother and tear their teeth into their necks and standing and boxing so fast, it’s a crazy site… Poor Zoe is innocent, and my parents are thinking of getting rid of Jill, the fights are about once a day, or 3x if Jill doesn’t get her daily walk… Jill is also very nervous around other dogs, stands at a distance and barks, and wants Zoe near her, and when parents aren’t home, Jill lays right next to Zoe the next day, as if they are best buds… This isn’t a normal dominance thing, it’s a psycho thing, why and what is Jill thinking, and how can it be stopped? We let them fight it out, said vet, but events continue to occur… Help!
"Let them fight it out!?" Sure, the injuries bring guaranteed income! What an ass.
Look, your parents are very weak leaders and the dogs know this and Jill has taken charge and poor Zoe is not being protected. Are you going to wait until the injuries or behavior are so bad that one dog must be put down? Do your parents a favor and get them a consultation with a professional animal behaviorist. Not a trainer. Animal behaviorist. This is EXACTLY the type of situation they are trained to handle and assess. They can determine the probability of being able to correct Jill’s behavior as well as teach your parents how to properly handle and train their dogs, understand their behavior, and become and behave like the strong leaders these dogs desperately need. Without being harsh or inhumane. You want one up to date in the modern scientific methods for dealing with aggression. A good one is surprisingly inexpensive, given that a peaceful home is priceless and what they help you learn will last many times longer than the life of the dogs.
–edit. beg to differ, Anna. Behaviorists DO train, both humans and animals. The benefit of using one over the other in this case is that the parents *must* understand the underlying issues and what their own actions are dong to make it worse as well as how to read their dogs. Too many trainers still use fear-based harsh methods. Dogs learn and respond faster when they obey out of willing respect, not fear.
C | Dec 11, 2009
As a pug breeder, I can tell you Jill’s behavior is very unpuglike. In fact, from your description, she rules the roost and your parents are ok with it. If it were me, I would kennel Jill at night and let Zoe be on the bed if she is not causing any problems. It’s a good idea to kennel dogs at night anyways because then they have their own bedroom and personal space that no one else invades. It gives them a sense of security and Jill is sounding very insecure.
Your parents are going to have to stop spoiling Jill and need to reprimand her when she behaves badly by kenneling her, keeping her away from Zoe, or the best thing would be to attend obedience classes with both of the dogs, or work with a trainer or behaviorist. I hope they won’t give up on Jill and try to give her away. She could turn into a great dog with the right training and consistant rules.
dog's best friend | Dec 11, 2009
Even if you think it is a psycho thing.. Jill is being a very dominant aggressive dog. And I agree, your parents are very weak leaders. I think also that they need to be brought to a trainer or behaviorist. What I do think is that you can try a couple things in the interim. You can be the one to work with the dogs. You can be the one to get them to start to listen to you. You can be the strong leader in the house. Get some real small yummy treats. Now you can start some training activities. Call Jill and when she comes over to you - give her a treat. Then teach her to sit and give her a treat. Have her go in a down, and give her a treat. You can spend about 10-15 min. doing this, a few times a day. Carry the treats around with you in the house, and at various times of the day - call her. If she comes, give her a treat. If she is treat motivated (most dogs are), she will learn to love doing what you ask in order to get a treat. Also give her positive praise (good girl, excellent, what a great dog, etc.) when you are giving her the treats. If she does something you don’t like while in one of your training sessions, say the word "wrong" in an even tone and turn your back on the dog. Wait a few seconds then turn to the dog and ask her again for whatever it is you want. That is the start to getting her attention and having her focus on you when YOU want it. If you see her getting in her attack mode, you call her over, give her a treat and lots of praise. If she starts to jump on Zoe, say the word "wrong". Then call her and see if she comes. Don’t let her even start with the attack, if you can at all help it. You can also work with Zoe on training and treating also. (wouldn’t want her to feel left out)!
As far as crating goes - the crate should not be used as a punishment. It should be a safe haven. You can get two crates, one for each dog. Put a comfy blanket in there or small rug and a couple of their favorite toys. Entice them to go into the crates with treats. Leave the crate doors open and your dogs may just go in there to lay during the day. If Jill seems like she is getting in her attack mode, you can put Zoe in the crate to protect her.
As far as the dogs sleeping on your parent’s bed - they both should be able to sleep there. BUT your parents need to put Jill off the bed if she begins to act up with Zoe. They can try treating them both if they are up on the bed, laying nicely. If Jill starts to act up, your parents should say the word "wrong" and make her get off of the bed. She will learn that she has to behave properly on the bed or they won’t let her stay up there. They need to do this - it’s really not that difficult!!!!
You should have your parents read all of these answers on here also. Maybe they would get a better picture of your distress over the whole situation plus get some ideas on how to handle the problem. Hope this helps!!!
Karolaml | Dec 11, 2009
Heavens, where are your parents? This is horrible and irresponsible!
First off, they are fighting because they are two females in a house where no one is in charge. Are these dogs altered? Has the older one ever been bred?
Your parents need to put a stop to this asap, or the younger dog may very well end up dead. Female pack rivalry can be vicious and ruthless.
Training and control is in desperate need here, and not a behaviorist. A trainer that can teach your parents how to get control of their pets, and the sooner the better. There is no "psycho" about this-it is common female rivalry, caused by lack of training and lack of accountability on your parents part.
anne b | Dec 11, 2009
